Digesting the new Banking Policy
We’ve been researching the effects, and debating them a lot, and really, there isn’t anything definitive.
If you start reading this, please read in full.
References:
LL Blog Post
Telephone conversation with Patch Linden by Sully Okelly
Conversations with our lawyer
Conversations directly with Linden Lab (Matthew Linden)
From the initial blog posting, the thought was that automated methods were banned, including all direct methods of return on investment, including stock exchange dividends, by anyone else than chartered banks.
Not only that, but the complete communication is totally disrespectfull and insulting to Our profession. Granted, many were scams, but not all of us.
On other note, it was also believed that all forms of investing are banned, but they are not, you just can’t get any return from them, or that’s what LL wants us to believe, thus wanting to kill investment in whole.
The irony of the whole post is that the financial sector is a vital part of the SL economy in whole, capitalizing in different areas, and most importantly, putting the money needed for all kinds of new ventures, creating new content, thus enhancing their service.(LL’s service)
“We will not apply this policy to companies who submit a registration statement, charter, or other applicable license from a governing regulatory authority, or who are merely conducting marketing or education, but not accepting payments.”
Now, that means a lot of things. First of all, registration statement, when going by that literally, it could be as simple as registration statement of a corporation, or anything else. Joking aside, they are requiring an license of sorts, making it RL regulatory. Problem however is, no one is going to grant a license to do banking for value limited license use rights. That’s right, that’s the definition of Linden Dollar(L$), it’s not an currency. Linden Lab cannot even decide which one it is. Furthermore, as it’s legal definition is value limited license use right, they CANNOT demand banking charter, it’s unlawfull, because their terms of service becomes impossible to honor.
Also, if they are now saying L$ is an currency, Linden Lab themselves need to be a registrated bank. Yes, that’s right. That question has been raised in the past by several lawyers already, questioning, should Linden Lab be registered bank?
However, the policy has further implications, which is not stated, in the official communication. Are they going behind our backs to get claim some land? Maybe, but let’s not venture into how evil, or anti-competitive, Linden Lab can be.
Further communication, directly by persons working at LL brought in more light to this chaos, however it is ALL bad news.
First, the communication by Sully Okelly with Patch Linden, you can view it at SLCapex Forums.
Stock Exchanges are clear of problems, and companies listed can offer direct return on investment, but not a guaranteed one, which goes against the policy stated in the blog posting. Bizarre? Wait, there’s more!
All interest GIVING and TAKING is banned, without a bank charter, credit union or some other kind of license, which cannot be acquired for L$, as it’s not an real currency. That means, credit cards, personal loans.
Loan, escrow and CC only type of banks are fine and can be unchartered, says Patch Linden. However, Matthew Linden explicitly told me convenience and/or security related financial services are banned also. Which is true? I do not know.
ATMs targeted only because they are tied to interest bearing accounts. Then why, Matthew Linden tells a convenience service is also banned?
Loans, Loans, Loans. Personal Loans RL regulation is following: Make an omissory note. Nothing else. Exactly nothing else, that’s all to it. However, they are banned too, because of tied interest. Can they over rule RL laws? Definately not. Pending clarifications.
Now, let’s get back to the denied guaranteed return on investment. Now, anything into what you pay, and can get somethign out, as promised upfront, can be considered guaranteed return on investment. Return on Investment is in economics calculated as % of the original investment. That means, if you get 50% ROI, and invested 100L$ initially, you get back 50L$. That means, anything taking deposits and allowing withdraws are banned, in the strictest to the letter interpretation. That’s right folks, it seems they can decide by face value. Yikes!
You can’t even make a personal loan, which has delivery vehicle for the funds in L$ anymore. That’s very saddening, very very saddening, and constrictive.
As for the convenience type of services, Matthew Linden told us that the normal RL regulation and registrations are not enough for LL neither. That’s right folks, you can’t make any kind of service of the type without credit union or bank charter.
Now, as you read, some of these are just completely unbelievable, some obvious and understandable. The unbelievable however, i think is the cause of corporate schitzophrenia, not their actual policy. That corporate schitzophrenia, is going to make a lot of headache to many people in the future. I do not believe a word Matthew Linden told us, he just probably didn’t to read the actual question and word bank was enough for his reply, or he really didn’t know and the internal reason for corporate schitzophrenia happened, lack of internal communication and debate.
Like in Metanomics were, this is a bit like if you formed in Denmark a fish-bank, where fishers could bring their fish for storage, and they would get interest paid for the storage of fish (or charged), and the goverment of Denmark would decide to require bank charter for that. Fish isn’t a currency, is Linden Dollar? Linden Dollar, by LL so far has not been a currency, and thus, if by 22nd of January when the policy comes into effect, they do not announce it as a currency, and become a chartered bank, they are making with that alone their terms of service impossible to honor, which is against contract laws.
Also, 2 weeks forward notice for most, and few people given few days advance notice is not enough for anykind of registration, by far. 2 weeks for an LLC even is barely enough from start to finish, and requires some luck to achieve. (The initial paperwork just takes a day or two, but that’s just beginning of the foundation), which again makes their terms of service impossible to honour, without huge financial losses, and keeping the doors closed for prolonged periods.
Linden Lab has opened itself for huge legal pain, and litigations. And there is a lot of reasons, why Linden Lab could be sued for this, and i’m sure i didn’t cover them all, not even close.
Bottomline, is that this policy is better to be a bad joke from them, a really bad joke from them. If it is not, expect somekind of court cases to rise from this, which could lead to the demise of Linden Lab. I think that Linden Lab might have opened the door for more bad publicity, than the financial sector in SL economy could have done themselves. The ultimate reason, why i think this policy came into existense.
Second Life isn’t just that fun anymore, imho. I always knew biggest threat to my business was Linden Lab itself, ironically, it’s so for a lot of people. Ironically, MindArk (Entropia Universe) doesn’t have any problems like this, and hell, they are now even giving out ATM cards, and they have 5 banks operational in Entropia, with the blessings of MindArk itself, without requiring RL regulation nor bank charter.
Unfortunately, on my books, Linden Lab is listed on the “Do-Evil Companies” section.
Tyrian, Take heart. Have hope. Second Life is fun because of the relationships that develop from it. It is a new plane where friends in SL are as dear as RL, (consider the RL marriages that come from SL love affairs.)
Frankly, you have it right. Its why I said HOLD TIGHT! The inconsistencies of Lindens need to be clarified, and hopefully that will happen on or before 1/22/8. They have asked for RL regulation on a fictional monetary exchange? Or are we to believe that the Linden dollar is real, and sourced by servers in California, thereby making it counterfeit monies in Federal eyes, and against Federal law? We now look to Lindens to correct their mistakes. I too have faith in some Lindens, or hope perhaps, but not all.
My own experience regarding BNTFinancial was that RiskAPI was approved, and in processing a Linden decided it should not be approved, thereby reducing the opinion of a Linden majority to the self interest of one Linden.
The concept of gods with human emotions expressed by the Ancient Greeks and Romans, where anger and jealousy determine action and responses works for me as an analogy. There are good and bad gods. Some will cause incredible economic harm to us little Lindenites, while others will favor us.
Regards,
Cliff “HOLDING TIGHT” Eclipse
Comment by Cliff — January 16, 2008 @ 4:11 pm
I agree on the Matthew Linden deal. I asked him to look at my website and tell me what I needed to stop to remain compliant. He didn’t and just said everything you do is banned and your ATMs will be removed. But this is the one reviewing cases……Patch and the rest of the Lindens seem to be on the same ground whereas Matthew is in left field…..
As far as the risk API, BNTF has to have a currency exchange to be looked at so….think about that Cliff…
Comment by Lindsay Druart — January 16, 2008 @ 10:42 pm
We are certain there will be no loss of deposits, and that you will maintain good records just in case LL decides to delete those. It’s unfortunate that their (LL) random annoucements effect so many people. Hang in there Tyrian. I have a big stake in your success!
I would be willing to add my name to a letter stating the unfairness of LL actions in terms of consistency of service - even with my terms of agreement there is an “expectancy of service” which has been denied. Plus the fact that their announcement was about as thought out as a school child’s playing in a sandbox.
I have money in SLIB and am a Premium customer of Second Life. I started to put more of my money in Banks because it was the common suggestion to defend against the QuickTime problems. I am beginning to review how necessary my presence is in SL.
Comment by Opala Andrew — January 17, 2008 @ 2:01 am
Lindsay, I am not sure I want to deliberate on Tyrian’s blog, but could you explain your statement? I think you are trying to be critical but I missed it so far, in rereading it again, and again. And yes I am thinking about it, you, and all bankers.
“As far as the risk API, BNTF has to have a currency exchange to be looked at so….think about that Cliff…”
Comment by Cliff — January 17, 2008 @ 5:46 pm
The difference with your “Fish Bank” example is that you don’t own the fish. The fish are actually owned by Fish Lab, who merely licence you to use them. So they are perfectly within their rights to say that you can’t set up your Fish Bank as part of the licence agreement.
This, incidentally, is why clever schemes like Contractum Trinius or Sharia banking practices won’t get round the problem.
Comment by Ragged Delec — January 17, 2008 @ 6:35 pm
It’s simple. Get a license. You do have an education in banking and finance don’t you?
You are prepared to do real business in Second Life no?
I think it’s simple to understand what Linden stated. Get a license.
–rjs
Comment by rjs — January 18, 2008 @ 9:16 am
Here the minimum capital for a bank is €€,€€€,€€€ and there are RL regulatory fees too. That “get a license” speech is for poor people who do know banking. Even LL is too poor to have a banking license.
Comment by License Hypocrysy — January 18, 2008 @ 9:09 pm
Getting a license is not the issue here - it is arbitrary. Do we need people to get a degree from and engineering school before they can sell scripts? No. It is caveat emptor. Do we need people to get a real estate certificate before they can buy or sell real estate? No. Again buyer beware. Did until last year buyer’s get to choose whether they put money in a bank or not. Yes. Now arbitrarily it has changed.
LL values land, charges you tier (property tax) on it. You even have to pay RL tax on it - but we just let anyone broker it’s sale?
The problem with SL is there is no contractual element. There is an economy but no law to govern it. This would be a great area to innovate, but instead Linden has decided that it is just a game world.
Game worlds stop being interesting for adults after a while.
Comment by Opala Andrew — January 19, 2008 @ 5:36 pm
The paying interest can be circumvented by converting deposits to “stocks” which have increasing price in time. SLIB would act as a market maker offering bid/ask price for a fixed amount at certain times. (This would handle nicely bank runs too, when those believing more to the bank would buy the stock at a lower value. Remember that the volume of the market making is limited.) The stock should be “non-public” or something to escape SEC regulation.
But the other point is that the ultimate value of the land in SL will be zero. People will just abandon it when they move. At the moment the price of the land makes the tenant acquire another tenant for the lot before leaving. There are already private sims with just registration cost to rent land.
“The contractual element would be a great area to innovate, but instead Linden has decided that it is just a game world.”
They are not competent enough, and they see that the contractual element is not an economically feasible feature. They see that the economy is just a toy/game and will have limited value forever.
“Game worlds stop being interesting for adults after a while.”
Peeps will surf between them.
Comment by Artificial Life Support — January 20, 2008 @ 1:26 am
“So they are perfectly within their rights to say that you can’t set up your Fish Bank as part of the licence agreement.”
When they do it beforehand and respecting the former contracts. The agreements bind LL too.
And the loophole is the license agreement of LL. Organizing trading of securities in a similar way than trading of L$ “licenses” will give a good headache to the regulators and LL.
And somehow, I would like to remind on the earlier promise that “SL is owned by its residents”, thus IPO is legally impossible.
Comment by About Fish Banking — January 20, 2008 @ 2:15 am